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UFC 305 PREDICTIONS
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What if resilience could outmatch a reach advantage in the octagon? Get ready to explore this compelling question as we break down UFC 305 with an in-depth analysis of Li Jingling vs. Carlos Prates. You’ll hear our contrasting takes—Jude champions Li’s toughness and UFC experience, while Charleston argues for Carlos’s impressive reach and winning spree. There’s more excitement as we speculate on a potential Dustin Poirier fight in Louisiana, imagining the sheer energy of a hometown crowd. We also preview the explosive clash between Jarzino Rosenstreich and Ty Tuivasa, examining Tuivasa's form and Rosenstreich’s strategy for a possible victory.
Switching gears, we offer our insights into the highly anticipated Adesanya vs. Duplessis fight, with many betting on an Adesanya knockout. But that's not all—we also debate the Kai Kara France vs. Steve Erseg matchup, weighing each fighter’s strengths and possible outcomes. Our middleweight division discussion heats up as we consider the thrilling potential bouts with heavy hitters like Sean Strickland, Michael Pereira, and Kyle Bohalla in the mix. If you're a fan of breakdowns, predictions, and the dynamic landscape of UFC, this episode promises an action-packed experience from start to finish.
What's going on, everybody, and welcome to another episode of the outside, the octagon podcast. I'm your host, charles to pain, joining us again through zoom for this. Ufc 308 or 305 preview, sorry, ufc 305 review. Jude stars, jude.
Speaker 2:How you doing today book doing good. Always I'm on the podcast. You already know always when I'm on the podcast you already know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, first of all, I want to start off with two things. Go follow us on Instagram at OutsideTheOpticonPod underscore. Well, I guess three things. Second of all, subscribe. Hit that thumbs up. Leave a comment if you think we missed on any takes or anything like that. Leave a comment if you want to see other content. Whatever you know, go ahead and drop some stuff in the comment section. Let us know what you're thinking. Third, prowler pickles. Go get yourself some pickles. They just uh. Miranda just released a new honey line as well. Uh, go check out the honey. Check out some pickles. Prowlerpicklescom. Use code oto10 at checkout to get 10 off your order. Very incredible pickles, great product. Dude, you got anything else you want to say to get the show started off before we start getting into these predictions?
Speaker 2:Like you said pretty much everything that you said, giveaways are coming. When we start to reach milestones, the views are way up. We're starting to accomplish goals, we're really starting to grow and I'm pretty excited about the future of this podcast.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, man. But what I'm looking forward to is Saturday night me personally, oh for sure. And we're going to talk about that. Yeah, we talk about that daily. But Saturday night, what's next for us? You know it's going to be a UFC event. I'm probably going to be wearing my Max Holloway shirt again while I'm watching it. But we got Li Jingling is going to be the first fight we're going to talk about versus Carlos Prates. Personally, I got to go with carlos here. Uh, he's got the seven inch reach advantage, significant strikes landed per minute, slightly less than li jing lang, uh, but he's on a five fight win streak with knockouts. Carlos sprains is. He's only 30 years old and the reach advantage is just huge here, and he's already a huge favorite, at minus 300, I believe.
Speaker 2:So I don't see there's any reason not to lean his way yeah, I get where you're coming from there for sure, but I think my dog of the night may be Lee Jingling. Honestly, and here's my reasons it is because his, his last five fights, carlos's last five fights, have been knockouts. Also, carlos doesn't have the UFC experience. He he's only had three UFC fights now, but I know that that sounds crazy. Lee Jingling's 10-0. He's never been knocked out, so that's a fact.
Speaker 2:We all know he has a chin, if you've watched him at all. He's also never lost two straight. If you know anything about UFC, it's very rare when you see a guy that's got this much experience. He's been in the UFC since what? 2014,? Ufc 173. So when you've got a guy with this much experience, he's never lost two straight. Maybe he's never won a title or never been insane, but it is hard to break that streak. So when he hasn't lost two in a row ever, it's hard for me to lean against him. He's got the experience and I think that he's going to get a bounce back win. But I definitely see where you're coming from.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sometimes I do feel like MMA kind of runs on streaks a little bit. You know like even with Poirier. You know Poirier, every time he's lost a fight he comes back and wins by knockout next, almost every single time. So I mean, first of all, we got to talk about this now that I brought up Poirier. If they bring that shit to Lafayette, louisiana, dude, I would probably pay upwards of $5,000 to be on the floor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean they better bring it to Louisiana. They need to bring it to Louisiana For his last fight. You have to do that, you have no other option. Or even New Orleans, even NOLA. If you want to bring it to no even raising came river center, bro, just bring it somewhere around here, bro, it doesn't even have to be that big of an event.
Speaker 1:Please, dana, please begging uncle dana for this man. I think he's gonna, I think he might pull through, man, I mean, the cajun dome's a great venue to do it. You got smoothie king down there, no, look great venue to do it. And, of course, like you, like you just said, the River Center. I mean all three of those are perfect venues for a UFC fight night. It's going to bring in a huge crowd. I mean it's probably going to. I mean, if I had to guess, I would probably say that it would be a record gate for a fight night.
Speaker 2:I think that definitely.
Speaker 1:I think it would shatter the hell out of St Louis' records.
Speaker 2:For sure, for sure, and I think that if Dana White doesn't do this at some point, if I ever see him, I will oil him up. I will keep a bottle of oil in my car and I'm going to oil him up myself if he doesn't make this happen. So simple as that.
Speaker 1:I like it. I like it, man. Next fight I want to talk about, though, jarzino Rosenstreich versus Ty to Ivasa. Oh man, I mean, we've seen Ty aillivani fight a few times recently. Hasn't really went his way. I think he's kind of on a downhill slide right now and I don't really think he comes out of that against Jarzina Rosenstreich. Just to keep it very honest with you guys, I think Jarzina Rosenstreich wins this fight. Highly likelihood it's going to be by knockout.
Speaker 2:And I see where you're coming from as well. I feel like with these heavyweights it's so hard to predict and if you've watched heavyweight fights you know how it goes. I mean especially guys that aren't necessarily great grapplers. When you have two strikers it could go any way any night. So to me, I think that Taito Abasie, it hasn't been going his way. He's still young, he's only 31 years old. Southpaw versus Orthodox tends to lean towards the Southpaw. I believe that Taito Abasie is going to beat Rosenstreich on the feet and I think as long as it stays on the feet, taito is going to win this fight and he's going to get back in the win column. I. I hope to see that. I want to see that shoeie. You already know.
Speaker 1:Alright, first of all, I will step out and say this I don't want Taito Iwasa to lose. I'm going to throw down in my living room if Taito Iwasa wins for one, because I mean, I kind of miss whenever that guy was out there running around the shoeys, you know, running the octagon. I miss the phase man, I miss good Taito Iwasa and I want to see that back again really badly. So I would love to see him win. Me personally, though I don't necessarily think that's going to happen.
Speaker 2:Just have to disagree on that one. I think that I know that the four-fight losing streak can be. You know it can be hard to pick for him, for him when, when he's on a four fight, tear, you know. But at the same time I don't think blusenstruck's overly dangerous. I think ty can pull it off and I think he's gonna pull it off. I think you're gonna be seeing that shoey baby.
Speaker 1:I would love to see it. Man, I'm not even going to lie, and one thing for sure this is probably the only fight that I'm like this on for my predictions, but I would probably have to say that there is maybe a potential chance that I change that pick come Saturday, whenever you see our official picks drop on the Instagram yeah, I'll tell you what I'm ready for this next fight that we're going to talk about too as well, I think it's going to be great, you talking about Mateus Gamron, dan Hooker yeah, I mean, I just love Hooker's personally.
Speaker 2:You know I love me a good old Hooker, so I like Dan Hooker really. But I'll let you give your take if you want to do that first, or we can go either way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, again, kind of the same as the last fight for me. On this one, I think Mateus Gamrot wins. I would much rather see Dan Hooker get it done. It's hard to go against Mateus Gamrot. He's 24-2. Absolutely great fighter. I don't see any reason to bet against him here. I'm pretty set in stone with that pick. Very high percentage on the takedowns, very good takedown accuracy. I just I don't see Mateus Gamrot not winning this fight, although I would love to see Dan Hooker win it.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to lie. Personally, I think that Dan Hooker you're never going to like. I don't think that he could really be knocked out, at least not by Gomrat. It's hard for anybody to knock him out. One thing he's proved is he's definitely got a chance. As much as I love hookers, you know, I can't really go against it. I have to go Gomrat here. I think he's better on the ground. I think it's hard to pick against an American top team guy, but in general Gomrat is a top team guy and Gamrat is a top-team guy. So I believe that Gamrat will win. He's just too inferior on the ground. I mean, is that the right word? I don't believe that's the right word.
Speaker 2:It felt like it did. He's much better. He's much better on the ground. My bad, my bad. I had a little dust, I guess I don't know what you would say there, but I had a little brain for it, I guess. But I think, gamrod wins for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I got to go Gamrod in that one. The next fight, I think, is going to be a showdown. I think that's one of the better co-main events of the year. To be completely honest with you, oh for sure I care of. France versus Steve Ursaek is going to be an absolute firework show. It's going to be so much fun to watch myself.
Speaker 1:Personally, I got to take the Astro boy, steve or seg. I think that people are kind of leaning towards Kai car France, and that's only because of our sex performance against Pantoja. But what they don't remember about our sex performance against Pantoja is that or seg quite possibly had a way to win that fight had he not went for the takedown in the fifth round. I think that if he doesn't go for the takedown in the fifth round, he might have been the first guy to beat Pantoja in a very, very, very long time, because Pantoja at the moment is just tearing through flyweights like it's nothing, like it's nobody's business. I thought Steve Ursaic was going to be the guy to dethrone him. Unfortunately he wasn't. I think this is his bounce-back fight. I think he beats the hell out of Kaikou Afrantz and we get to see an Ursaic title run coming again soon.
Speaker 2:You know, I think, that there's a lot on the line for both of these guys. Kaikou Afrantz is coming off a two-fight losing streak as well, won by knockout in the championship to Brandon Marino. Then he had the loss by decision to I don't even know how to say his name, so I'm not even going to attempt that Amir Al-Bazi or whatever. I can't ever say his name right.
Speaker 2:I think Kai Carfranci's just got a little more experience. I think he's a little more in his prime. I think Steve Erceg will hold the belt at some point and I think he is going to dominate the division. But I think he's got probably three fights. I think after this fight he'll go on a two-fight win streak. He'll get his title shot and he will win the belt and he'll dominate the division for a minute there. But I think Kai Corifrantz there, but I think kyle car fronts wins this fight. I think that you should see absolute bra. I think both these guys are really good on the feet my personal opinion and very, very technical strikers, I believe yeah, for flyweights, these guys are very good strikers.
Speaker 1:Uh, I mean, it's going to be like I said, it's going to be a firework show. You're not going to want to miss that fight. I think it's going to be incredible. Like I said already, I think it's going to be one of the best co-main events of the year. And if I had to make a particular pick on how I think that this fight will end, I think I'd have to go Steve Erseg by points. I think he goes to the decision and gets the job done there. But it's going to be a very fun fight to watch and again, it could go either way.
Speaker 1:Like Jude, like you said, a lot on the line for both of these guys, but I just think Astro Boy is going to take it home with him and he's going to go on that title run very soon.
Speaker 1:I kind of agree with you again as well on the whole two-fight win streak thing. He wins this one, wins two more fights, takes over the belt. I think he needs a little bit more experience underneath him before he goes for another title shot. He the 10th ranked guy coming into that title shot against Pantoja and he only had a handful of UFC fights going into that, you know. So I mean for him to go out there and do what he did against Pantoja at such a young age proved to me that at some point he will be a champion and he's going to be very hard to beat. We're going to be talking about him as one of the greatest of the flyweight division up there with Mighty Mouse, demetrius Johnson or, as Brandon Desrosiers referred to him, as Mighty Rat. Mighty Rat you got Pantoza, obviously, and then Steve Ursa is going to be right up there with those guys for the greatest of that division, in my opinion.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely, I don't necessarily disagree. The only thing I disagree on I think that it's not quite his time. I think Kai Farfence is going to win this fight and really make a name for himself, maybe in this fight. Because I think that people do realize, though, that Steve Erseg is a real contender now. I think after that fight they really realized well man, he is a contender for sure. He's not there yet, but he's a contender. And he's not there yet, but he's a contender. And he's gotten better each time he gets in the octagon. That's always something I like to look at for sure, to judge a guy like has he improved? Not the win or the loss, because sometimes they lose, but it's like you could definitely see improvement. They was just fighting above their caliber at the current moment, but that's the way you get better, and steve ursak's been doing that. He's been pulling off wins. That last plate he he fought above and he just couldn't quite pull it off, but he definitely showed that he's a contender for a long time.
Speaker 1:I agree, man. Steve Ertegba points those what I got to go with. I want to know how you think that if, since you say Kai Carfrance wins, how do you think he wins? You think it's decision knockout probably?
Speaker 2:not. We said that they're both very technical in my opinion, strikers and typically when you see that, you really don't see too many knockouts. So I almost have to lean towards points. But I wouldn't. I think that if there's a knockout, that's in the later rounds, I don't really see a submission happening Like it definitely could. Obviously Anything can happen, but I think the likelihood of a submission happening Like it definitely could. Obviously anything can happen, but I think the likelihood of a submission is not high. But I think the fight definitely is. I think it should be an easy over on the rounds because I think it's going to end very late in the fight if it ends. But I'm going to take Kyle Carfront's decision about points.
Speaker 1:I like it. I like it, I respect it. I don't think we've agreed yet, yeah, about points. I like it. I like it, I respect it. I don't think we've agreed yet. Yeah, this has been a rare no we had. You had Madonna with me, yeah, yeah yeah, so after that I mean dude this. I think this is the card we ordered the clown mask for dude.
Speaker 2:I mean I, but I really think we have a good reason on this one, like we have a good reason. Like a lot of these fights, even if you go look in the odds, a lot of them are really close fights, like most of them are other than the Lee Jingling-Carlos fight and the Gamara fight, but we both picked Gamara. But other than that, they're all, almost even the Adesanya-Duplessis is pretty much, even, pretty much dead, even according to ESPN at least Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean they got that fight as a pick-up right now on the odds, but obviously there's one fight left to talk about. That's the one. Israel, the last stylebender, adesanya, is going to be taking on Drikus.
Speaker 2:Does he even have a nickname, DuPlessis? Yeah, I don't know that he honestly does?
Speaker 1:I don't think that he does, to be honest. But you know what? I could be wrong. We're not perfect, you know. Let me check into that. I don't think I see a nickname on here. Oh, Still Knocks. I forgot about that. Yeah, Still Knocks. Whatever dude he's going to lose, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2:Do people actually know that? If you're watching right now, let me know in the comments if you actually knew DDP's nickname, because I honestly did not know that he had one to be honest.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like I knew it. I'm pretty sure I did know that, but I mean, obviously it just didn't roll off the top off rep, so I didn't. I wasn't as familiarized with it as maybe I should have been.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, it's obviously not the right nickname. It's not a great nickname, for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, honestly, bro, I don't care. Israel Adesanya is going to win by knockout. We haven't seen Contender Izzy in a while, and when we do see Contender Izzy, it's a different Izzy, I a different Izzy. I think that there's no way in hell that Israel Adesanya does not beat Drikas Duplessis, and I think he does it by knockout. I'm not trying to sound like Kenny Akoya. I've never been a big Izzy fan by any means. Sure, I like how active he was in the middleweight division. As his title reign, I think he's one of the greatest ever in the middleweight division. I won't lie about that. I've just never been that huge on the Izzy hype train. I do believe that Izzy wins this fight by knockout though, because, like I said, we haven't seen a deader Izzy in forever and I don't think that there's any way that Drikus is the guy that's going to slow him down.
Speaker 2:All right. Well, I haven't decided honestly yet. So I'm going to read some stuff off paper, you know, and tell you kind of what I think. But I'm going to decide at the end of all this. So don't take this as being biased towards any guy literally looking at it and pretty much deciding right now.
Speaker 2:I did watch them both fight Sean Strickland prior to the episode but, dude, it was a lot to take in and it's really hard to pick this fight to me Like I think the odds are really right. I mean, ddp don't really get his respect but on paper his resume is really good. This unanimous decision against Brad Tavares, submission against Darren Till, the decision win against Sean Strickland. A lot of people forget his knockouts against Derek Brunson and Robert Whitaker. He's on an absolute tear, to be honest. The Sean Strickland win very controversial win, but on paper it's there and then you go look at Izzy. He's got the loss to Alex Bure. You can't really hold that against him. He got back one against Alex Bure and then lost to Sean Strickland. Hasn't fought since.
Speaker 2:What I will tell you is a picture surface of Izzy today and he looks a lot bigger. He looks like he filled out his frame a lot. He looks like he's really been taking the training and time off very serious and that could benefit or hurt you. But with that being said, I think I'm going to have to side with you on this. I think that Izzy gets a knockout. I just feel like you know you've got to keep a lot of forward pressure. If you watch the DDP Sean Strickland fight and the Izzy Sean Strickland fight, you can see Sean Strickland a lot of forward pressure. That's what he does as a fighter. But both these guys if you look who fought under that pressure, better it looked like Israel and Israel did it against Alex Perea.
Speaker 2:His strength is really overlooked, you know people don't really talk about it. It's so underrated. He's got the reach advantage. They're both switch stance fighters. It should be an awesome fight. I think that Dreschus is going to have a lot of forward pressure early on. I think Israel's going to pull like a spin him heel kick or you know some type of flying knee or something. I think he's going to get some type of crazy kick and knockout, like he's known for. I think he's back.
Speaker 1:You think Izzy's back. I like it. I like it, man, I do too. It's not necessarily what I had hoped for. I was hoping that after Strickland beat Costa, he was going to get the shot at Drikus again. I'm not upset with it. Though I will say that I'm not upset with it. I think that, to be fair, if anybody deserved to skip the line, it is Israel Adesanya. There's no denying that. I mean, I don't care how bad you hate the guy, how much you love the guy, you know that Israel Adesanya is, quite frankly, deserving of a shot at Drikus.
Speaker 1:Because we haven't seen that fight yet. We've seen what happened with Strickland and Dreykus. Sure, it was an incredible fight. Don't get me wrong. I absolutely love watching that fight. Quite frankly controversial decision. You either thought Dreykus won or you thought Strickland won. I did not think that Dreykus won that fight particularly, but it is what it is. I'm not a UFC judge. Sometimes I wish I was, because sometimes I think that I'm, quite frankly, better than some of those guys, but I'm not there yet. So it is what it is. We've got to deal with it. Drikus Duplessis is the middleweight champion of the world until Saturday night.
Speaker 2:Yeah, one thing's for certain Sean Strickland is going to get the title shot. They've already came out and said that. So whoever wins is going to be fighting Sean Strickland. That appears, if there is no injuries to happen or anything like that. But what you said is about DDP, and you know you want to see Sean Strickland rematch him. I think that you will see that point, because I'm not saying that DDP might end up running this division, unfortunately, like I'm not a big fan of him I don't I'm not a hater either, really but he could run this division, dude, he's only 30 years old and he's really overlooked. I mean, his resume is extremely good. I know he does some weird stuff, he's a questionable dude, but I mean he, he just wins. I mean people hate blah, but he just wins. And it's hard to argue against the winner, dude, there's winners and losers and that's the fact. It doesn't matter how you get it done. And DDP historically has been a winner, especially since he joined the UFC.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean I don't disagree with that, but it's Israel Adesanya man, I mean that guy hasn't been beat much. I mean it's Alex Ferreira's beating him, Strickland's beating him. Who even is his other loss? I'm not even sure if I can even name the other loss off the top of my head, to be honest, His other loss, I believe was kind of early on in his career.
Speaker 2:I'm going to go look right now, well no, it's in 2021. Look right now, well no, it's in 2021.
Speaker 1:John blachowicz by decision, you know, unanimous at usc 259 I don't know why I didn't remember that. Yeah, I don't. I don't know why that didn't click for me either, but that's crazy dude, I mean I I think it's izzy by knockout. I'm not gonna change my mind on that I.
Speaker 2:I definitely agree, but I definitely am very confused about this whole card. I think that this is a really good card. The UFC matchmakers have been doing a pretty solid job, at least on paper. This is going to be a good card to watch, but one day we're going to have to get on here and talk about the middleweight logjam and there's a lot of episodes before then and everything. There's an weight log jam and there's a lot of episodes before then and everything. There's absolute log jam at middleweight. There's so many great guys, so many undefeated guys, guys on the win streaks. It's honestly insane how stacked middleweight is right now in three years to come. They have a good mixture of older guys, guys in their prime, younger guys. It's absolutely insane. We talked about, we touched down on it a few times, but I would like to do a full episode on it at some point. I think that would be really fun because I could talk for hours on the middle weight division right now to be honest.
Speaker 1:Yeah, middle weight's freaking stacked right now. No doubt about it. I mean you got the. I mean nine of the top 10 guys can fight for the belt right now. Quite frankly, would have a very legitimate shot at winning.
Speaker 2:What is that guy? I mean, just to give you an example your last ranked guy you got Michael Pereira too and then one of your lower ranked guys, that guy with the neck tat. I can't ever remember his name. I know his face. I know who he is. I've watched so many fights. It's the guy with the neck tat. I might have to pull that up real quick. You know who I'm talking about when I say his name. He's got the big old neck tat across his apple and all that Hold up. I've got to stall. If you've got anything to talk about, I look up middleweight UFC rankings.
Speaker 1:I think he's ranked 15th as well.
Speaker 2:Dude, what? What is that dude's name?
Speaker 1:It's not. Roman DeLizze is it's name, it's not roman delizze, is it?
Speaker 2:no, no, it's, he's a brazilian guy. Kyle bohalla.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that's what I was thinking in the first place. Honestly, I'm not gonna lie like I had that in my mind the whole time and I was like that's gonna sound stupid I need dude.
Speaker 2:You have so many people chris curtis, anthony hernandez, michael perrier, kaiboa comes out to my rome deluse. Jack hermanson, paul acosta, brendan allen, martin vittoria, jared cannoneer, amado, robert whittaker, israel sean strict on ddp. Like that's insane, bro. That's absolutely insane.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've never seen I say we saved that conversation for, and I think we do a video version. I think we absolutely do a video on the stack, uh, the, the aura I guess you could call it of the middleweight division right now, because it's insane. I mean, you got so many, so many different.
Speaker 2:Definitely a lot of good stuff planned for the podcast and stuff. You know some, some stuff that's outside the octagon coming up and we'll keep you guys updated, I'm sure on Instagram. I think I have some big things planned for the community and stuff and Charleston knows at the moment but I'm not really ready to break the news quite yet.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, man. But I mean, I think that's a wrap for this episode. Hopefully you guys enjoyed the UFC 305 preview. Hopefully we're right on all our picks. Obviously, Jude and I one of us is going to have to be wrong on what four of the six?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that you may, If you click and watch the next video, give you a reason to come back for one thing the secret we have going right now. So stay around for that. We might announce that on our podcast at some point and you could be seeing one of us in a clown wig on the next episode. Absolutely. It's not going to be me, it's not going to be me.
Speaker 1:Not that much. First of all, I think you should have to wear the clown mask for the first like seven episodes anyway Because I was on a historical run until we brought it, yeah, but I'm Dirty, dan, I mean. I can, yeah, but I'm dirty, dan. I mean I can't one-up that. To be honest, hold up, that's low-key. A good shirt idea low-key. We got to get that for these people. Man, that's gonna be a wrap episode. Man, you got anything else you need to say?
Speaker 2:no, that's it. Stay tuned, subscribe and everything, because we will do merch drops when we get to a certain point. We're definitely starting to grow, we're starting to get hit, stride and reach those numbers and obviously, follow the Instagram Having some troubles with the TikTok. We're probably going to be having a rumble soon. So much stuff, so much news and information. You can get us pretty much anywhere that you want to at this point, so you have no reason not to watch, not to stay tuned.
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